Pineapple scraps put in water and just let outside to ferment. It worked but because I was not checking it at all, a lot of the water evaporated.
I use this vinegar to add to my pest deterrent sprays. The spray itself is a mixture of neem leaves water. cooking oil, dishwashing detergent and this vinegar.
I wanted an over ripe pineapple as recommended by some Mexican tutorials.
This one was that, and more! Rotting at the bottom!
By the time I cut out all the rotten parts, I was left with only half the fruit. So instead of using just the peels and core, I added all the good flesh too.
Sugar was gula melaka. I like being precise with measurements so that I can try to reproduce or adjust better next time. But what the heck ... since the pineapple threw me a curveball, lets just wing it with the sugar. 1 piece.
No spices this time. I want to see what the taste is like without complex flavours.
No ginger bug like the last time which resulted in carbonation on steroids!!
1 litre water looked too little.
1.5 litre looked too much! Hope I didnt dilute it too much.
Fyi whole fruit 1133g, Useable skin and flesh 574g, gula melaka 191g, water 1.5litre.
Since it's a lot faster than ginger beer, I will log by hours instead of days.
For methodology I loosely followed these guys...
Hour 00
Hour 15: Bubbling... not as crazy as the ginger bug version. That's one problem solved.
Taste was sweetish, but not enough pineapple taste for my liking. The plan is to bottle at 24 and 48 hours. If the pineapple taste doesn't come out more after 48 hours, I will try juicing core and flesh next time.
If you compare this pic with the video of the tepache method earlier, you will see that theirs took longer to get to this stage. My guess is the weather sped it up.
Hour 24: Bubbling. Sweet. Bottled 300ml of the tepache. Took out one small piece of flesh, squeezed its juice and pulp into the bottle too. Total 315g.
I like it a little less sweet so didnt take much tepache. Will wait till more sugar gets eaten up before I bottle the bulk of it.
Hour 38: Forgot about it last night. Bottle hard with carbonation. Refrigerated it. The rest tasted ok, less sweet.
Bottled 1200ml, with added pieces.
Added 700ml water and 3 tbsp white sugar just to see if I can extract another batch before composting the pineapple.
Hour 49: Refrigerated bottle 2
Hour 51: Refrigerated bottle 3&4. Opened bottle 1. Excellent taste and correct fizz.
Hour 53: Brew taste was ok, not as nice as with jaggery. Added 3 tbsp white sugar.
The next day: tastes not great. I didnt throw it out. Will keep as my next batch of pineapple vinegar.
Day10: I cant believe it!! I have vinegar already! And it tastes good. pH is around 3-3.5.
I think it is a Brazilian Snapdragon. That's the closest result I could find.
I picked a bunch from my mum's place. It had a really sweet smell. Only after doing the vinegar I read that the leaves are fragrant too. Oh well next time.
Filled a small bottle with the flowers, 400ml water and 25g sugar. Covered with cloth.
Mixing daily. By day2 bubbles were visible.
1Sep2020 day3: A purple hue was visible
7Sep2020 day9: Colour great, top looks healthy, smell nice.
31Oct2020: Strained into an old liquid soap bottle. Amazing how dark it has become.
I dont like using lots of soap but you just have to with our weather. So the plan is, without going into graphic detail, to use soap where I sweat the most, and this floral vinegar everywhere else. At bedtime, if my wife tells me to get out of the room due to the smell, then I will relegate this vinegar to cleaning stuff outside.
1Nov2020: I didnt get kicked out of the room :) Success!!!
Wash the pork (1kg belly) well and slice into 1 inch pieces.
Marinate the meat with the following...
3 Tbsp chilli powder
2 Tbsp chilli flakes soaked in little water (I added this for extra heat)
1½ Tbsp cumin powder
1½ tsp turmeric
1½ Tbsp mustard seeds crushed slightly
60g garlic pounded (have experimented with up to 100g and it tastes good)
60g ginger pounded (ditto)
1 ½ tsp salt
1 tsp sugar
2 Tbsp vinegar (I use acv but ori calls for white vinegar)
Keep for 2 hours at room temperature, preferably in the pot that you are going to cook in.
Cook on high heat for 10 minutes, constantly stirring to avoid burning. Do not add oil or water, as the oil and moisture will come from the meat after a few minutes of cooking. (If you have to add water, just add the tiniest amount to prevent burning in the first few minutes before the oil starts appearing)
Cover and cook on low heat for a further 20 minutes. Open only once or twice to stir and make sure the meat is not burning.
Turn off the heat. Add 3 TBsp vinegar and salt to taste, and mix well.
My tips...
Don’t cut the pork too thinly.
Place meat in fridge if marinating for longer periods.
Adjust vinegar in the final step to suit how sour you want it. Vindaloo is actually pickled curry, so without the vinegar, it isn’t Vindaloo.
500g lean + 500g belly if you dont want so much fat.
For better flavour, refrigerate after cooking for 24 hours. Reheat and serve the next day.
It's strange but I dont have a picture of my vindaloo even though I cook it every 2 weeks or so. This is a pic of my sister's version. Basically the same but she adds a bit of water.
I have seen references to vinegar in cooking, cleaning, gardening etc tc. So this will be ongoing list from articles I come across... uses for vinegar.
This is a summary of the vinegar experiments I have started. It's really addictive... I feel like starting a new batch of vinegar everytime I see some fruit lying around!
Following this guy's method coz he seems like the only one who knows the science behind it all...
Slight variations but still sticking to his methodology...
- I won't be juicing the fruit.
- I will use my ginger bug instead of yeast
The ingredients and amounts I used...
1 litre dechlorinated water
357g apple scraps
1 TBsp white sugar
150ml ginger bug (liquid only)
The slightly cloudy top is from the ginger bug I added. It cleared up the next day.
Oh and later at the start of stage 2 I will add 2 TBsp Bragg acv.
Moved the apple scraps around daily.
17Aug2020 day2:
20Aug2020 day5: a thin pellicle has formed and as a result I havent mixed it today...
23Aug2020 day7: Removed solids. Total juice was 1239ml (145ml of that was from squeezing the solids through a cloth). After allowing to settle, I used the liquid minus the sediment which amounted to 1176ml. pH was around 5. Added 2 TBsp Bragg acv
Now wait till 12 Sept to test again.
29Aug2020 day14: First signs the liquid is clearing.
14Sep2020 day30: Tastes nice, milder than Bragg acv. pH 3.5. Bottled it.
** The whole uncut pineapple was 1047g. Flesh 490g. Skin 428g.
With one pineapple, I am trying to...
A) grow another fruit using the top bit.
FAILED! No roots after more than a week. I must have bought a really old dead fruit or they did something to it to make it stop growing. Went into the compost.
B) make tepache with the flesh.
In this was...
1 litre water, 150g jaggery, 490g pineapple flesh (tasted almost sour so didnt expect this to succeed), all blended into a smoothie.
To that added 50g ginger from my ginger bug, 100ml ginger bug juice, 1 cinnamon stick, 4 cloves.
Covered with a cloth. The jaggery gave an illusion of a nice tasting result.
The next day tasted it and decided to throw it out! Thats how bad it tasted.
FAILED! The pulp will go into the compost.
I will try again and next time NOT use the ginger bug, and DO use a better sweeter pineapple.
C) make vinegar using the skin and core.
In this went...
80g white sugar, 900ml water (enough to cover the skin and cores), 428g skin and cores, 100ml ginger bug juice (instead of yeast)
I will follow roughly this guys instructions and timeline...
15Aug2020 update: bubbling nicely, no signs of mold, moved the top layer into the liquid.
16Aug2020 update: You can see it at the start of the video...
19Aug2020 day6:
If the bottle is moved, tiny bits of the pellicle drop off.
20Aug2020 update: It's day 7 and I was supposed to have strained out the solids today. But I am awaiting a reply on one of the forums to see what to do with the pellicle that has just formed on top...
21Aug2020 day8 update:
Took out all the solids. This pellicle was a thin film and powdery, unlike the thicker one in the acv batch1. I just sieved out the lot, pellicle, skin, core, and whatever.
It tasted ok, nothing great but better than expected considering the fact that the starting point was mostly pineapple skin and the core from a really tasteless fruit.
Now I presume stage one is done, converting the fruit sugar to alcohol.
The pH was 5.
Washed and baked the container.
Onto stage 2 of converting it to acetic acid / vinegar, hopefully with a pH of 3.
Added 2 TBsp of Bragg raw acv.
Strained again and left out the sediment.
Final liquid was 1112ml
acv batch1 on the left, this pineapple vinegar-to-be on the right.
Now wait!
10Sep2020 day28: FAILED :(
I did 2 tests. Firstly smell... it smelt like the toilet. Second was pH... it didnt even change colour. No acidity at all!
On the plus side, it did have a pellicle half sunken. Luckily I did enough research to tell me that the pellicle wasn't the mother. Or else I might have kept it and contaminated future batches.
***
So in conclusion... dont use any pineapple. This one was not sweet, it was not ripe either. Make sure it's over ripe, not rotting anywhere, no mold, and wash the skin thoroughly. I also suspect that pesticides could have been an invisible enemy.
I have one more pineapple vinegar in the making, using an over ripe fruit. I did include the skin so maybe that one's results will shed some light into the pesticide factor.
The next batch of pineapple vinegar will be without skin, just the flesh and core.
This is just a test. The main thing I want to know is ... can I make vinegar with next to no regards for cleanliness and measurements?
If it works, I will use the vinegar for cleaning.
1. Cleanliness...
One of my neighbours passes me all her kitchen scraps for my compost. I will only use pears from that coz I know she eats them regularly. I wont wash it. I will just separate the pears from the rest and chuck them into a 1.5 litre plastic Coke bottle.
The bottle I chose was lying outside in my collection of plastic bottles to reuse. I rinsed it out with tap water.
2. Chlorine...
I used water direct from the tap so I know for sure it is chlorinated. All Youtube instructions stress the need for dechlorinated water. I will add rainwater too if available, but collected in my dirty buckets I use for gardening.
Filter out the debris with a fish net
3. Dark place...
Its not going to be dark. It will be in the shade but still its quite a lot brighter than indoors.
4. Temperature...
Indoors is on the upper limit of what is recommended for making vinegar, under 30C. This test will be outdoors, so I think, even in the shade it will get to over 30C.
5. Measurements...
None at all. I put a teaspoon of white sugar, in about 500ml water. I will increase the water as I get more peels. The peels are whatever I get, so not much at the start.
6. Starter...
I will add just a tiny bit of ginger bug, maybe a tablespoon. That's hardly anything at all coz any recipe that calls for ginger bug asks for more than 100ml of the stuff.
7. Start and end dates...
This test will have multiple starting points coz I will just keep adding peels until it reaches maybe 3/4 of the container.
As for the end date. I will try to get my hands on some pH testing strips. Hopefully that will be the indicator the vinegar is ready. I dont want to taste it coz I dont know how much dirt will be in it.
19Aug2020 update: more from my neighbour...
I didn't anticipate so much pear scraps.. the 1.5litre bottle is too small. Transfered to an old 9litre...
Both containers doing well with no sign of mold!! Touch wood.
21Aug2020 update: today I decided to simplify things and put both pear mixtures into one container. Both smelt and looked good before combining. The new container is nearly opaque so it will cut out most of the light. It has a wide mouth which will make handling bigger pieces easier. The screw top will not be tightened to allow for air. Tightened only for shaking it up.
28Aug2020 day 18: quite a nice pellicle/mother/scoby has formed.
Day0 9Aug2020: started. reddish flowers. all had no sweet smell.
Day7 16Aug2020: removed top layer of leaves.
The top was looking a little off. So opened it up to see. After removing a little, we realised that it was actually ok. But decided to remove all the leaves.
It looks like a simple but long process. Also a high chance mold will grow on top and I will have to chuck it out.
6Aug2020 day00
1 litre water, almost full apple scraps and pulp, 2 TBsp sugar, 3 TBsp Bragg acv. Tasted of very diluted apple water. Hardly any vinegar taste.
9Aug2020 day3
10Aug2020 day4
11Aug2020 day5: the first real signs of the white stuff
12Aug2020 day6
This film was covering the entire surface.
I left it there. Posted a query on reddit. Hopefully someone answers. My guess is that it is kahm yeast.
13Aug2020 day7
So they said it's yeast and to leave it in! Its thicker today and the patterns on it more prominent. I haven't mixed or stirred now for 2 days.
Initially the plan was to submerge the top exposed fruit daily. And to remove the pulp after 6-7 days when it supposedly is alcohol. Then add some vinegar with mother (Bragg) and let it turn to vinegar.
Now that the film is there, I have not stirred it. I'm in 2 minds about this. Do I leave it be for the whole duration or take everything out and leave the liquid (alcohol) to turn into vinegar?
30 minutes later update: I decided to strain it.
That yeast film was thick enough that it didnt break apart when removed.
In fact it looked like a scoby from all the videos I watched, but I guess it cant be coz it's too early.
update: it's called a pellicle
Strained out the pulp,
then extracted the remaining juice from the pulp thru an old pillow case.
Washed out the container with soap and water then baked it in the oven for 10 mins to make sure everything was clean.
Added 2 tablespoons of Bragg acv. If this vinegar making experiment works, I will inoculate the future batches with this instead of using Bragg.
The liquid tasted slightly vinegary already!
Tried testing the pH with my aquarium test kit :) It's not a good test coz the sample is already coloured. but I think it changed enough to indicate the liquid was slightly acidic, and that's what we want to achieve.
Before...
After...
The scale...
After a few hours, the glass container was cool, and the sediment in the liquid had settled.
Poured it into the container except for the last bit of sediment...
I got 1186g of liquid!
Some scenes from day 7...
Covered with a cloth and placed in a cupboard so that it would be in a dark place.
I just noticed... the cloth I randomly picked to cover my 1st attempt at apple cider vinegar had an apple motif!!!
Now we wait for a few weeks... and pray for a couple of things...
no fruit flies get in
it forms a mother
no mold sets up shop on top
it turns into vinegar
it tastes as good as Bragg
I will be happy if prayer number 2 and 4 get answered.
14Aug2020 day8:
The pellicle returned! reddit had advised to keep the original one but I got rid of it. This time I will leave it as recommended.
The smell is still good so it must be working!
17Aug2020 day11:
The smell is fine. I haven't been moving it at all. Stored in a dark place. Temperature I guess in the mid 20s Celsius. The top layer is more pronounced.
Does that pellicle become the mother? I have no idea. This is a video I found that showed something like what I have, and she referred to it as the mother...
Counting down the days to day 28 when I will be testing it to see if my very first vinegar worked.
30Aug2020 day24: here is a video of the mixture...
3Sep2020 day28: the time has come! It has been 4 weeks since starting. Most instructions say 4 - 12 weeks.
Tested it.... pH is 4. I was hoping for 3. This website said under 3. This lady said anything under 4.5.
Tested all four types that I have. They are arranged in order of acidity strength. My first acv batch was a 4 and the white one on the right was 3, maybe 2 point something.
My acv taste was not as tart as any of the store bought vinegars. On the plus side, it was a nice, mildly sour taste.
So I will keep it going till week 12, testing the pH every 2 weeks. I hope I didn't hurt it coz with all the movement the mother is no more floating on top.
17Sep2020 day42: It's week 6, and the pH was still 4. I removed all the pellicles and strained out 630ml (that was the amount the bottle held).
It's not as good a taste as the 2nd batch acv, or the 2nd batch pineapple vinegar. I will use it to wash/soak our veggies after harvesting.
The remaining ?ml I will try adding to my bug spray. Maybe the acid might help. I will test on the heavily infested misai kuching. The bugs that have settled on it are damn stubborn and hardy.